Sheer: And 1 Corinthians 13:4 does a good job of definition by description of attributes
Javy: and who are you to tell me what love is and impose it on me? Sheer?
Sheer: Javy: No one, and you are free to believe anything you like. remember how I said everyone is right?
Insight4Living: Mohammed was a false prophet.
Julie: rofl
Julie: rofl
Sheer: But you've got to live with whatever definition you come up with.
Julie: rofl
Julie: remember Javy?
thomasjg: Loan: agree?
Javy: Haha
Javy: Sheer.
Sheer: And every once in a while they're going to collide with other people's beliefs i.e. now. ;-)
Javy: So if I believe sheer is X, and you believe sheer is Y we are both right?
Ioan: Sheer, God does not kill. Sin does. God killing is a metaphor in the Judeo-christian Bible for sin being used by God to kill
Javy: Oh wait.
Javy: Sorry.
Sheer: Yes. You are right in your universe, and I am right in mine.
Javy: I mean 
thomasjg: loan: you will not answer?
Javy: Sheer is x, and sheer is non-x am I right?
Sheer: And we only have trouble when our universes collide.
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Julie: I thought I was X
Insight4Living: God kills people.
chokky_chick: hey all
Insight4Living: People kill people too.
Javy: God kills, amen.
Sheer: If you're capable of holding the idea that a bit is both one and zero at the same time, you're still correct.
Julie: hi chokky
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Javy: Sheer....
Ioan: I was just asking why you guys believe in the Resurrection without any proof
Javy: Do you believe in logic?
Insight4Living: The sixth commandment is not "Do not kill".
thomasjg: Sheer: then you would have no tourble with the trinity
thomasjg: loan: you cannot answer?
Insight4Living: The sixth commandment is "Do not murder."
Julie: loan
Julie: loan
Julie: loan
Julie: aer you a Christian?
Sheer: Thomasjg: I have no problem with people believing in the trinity
Javy: *sighs*
Sheer: I can even believe that it's possible. But not that it's the Only True Way.
Javy: :: gets close to the red button ::
Javy: Why Sheer!
Javy: ?
Sheer: *laugh* he's going to kick me off for this?
thomasjg: loan: mohammed was a false prophet.  You agree?
Julie: lol
Insight4Living: The Trinity is the only way.
Javy: Tell me why?
Ioan: I'm not here to say, religion sux roflmao, i'm just asking a legitimate question
Insight4Living: God can't possibly not be a Trinity.
Julie: whoa
Julie: ok
Insight4Living: God either is a Trinity or He isn't.
thomasjg: loan: I asked you a question..
Sheer: Tell you why? Because God is supposed to be Loving and Infinate, and he created us, and probably understands far better than we do what responsability one has to life forms one has created.
Javy: Sheer okay.
kancil: Everywhere Jesus is being discused. Make make realize that The Holly Bible, is true !!!! 
Javy: But who defines love?
Javy: You or God?
Insight4Living: God is a Trinity because He tells us He is.
Sheer: Also because *he* doesn't say so. You all say so, and you all say that book is him talking, but I feel something I choose to call God inside me, and it's a far more positive thing.
Ioan: yeah mohammed was a false prophet, he was no prophet, but a conqueror who invented a religion to subordinate his troops and people he conquered
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Insight4Living: God defines love in 1 Cor 13 and elsewhere.
Javy: Sheer
Javy: who defines love?
Sheer: We all do, collectively.
thomasjg: loan: good that was easy..
Julie: The only way to be saved from the wrath of God that we deserve is to admit to Jesus that we are sinners in need of His forgiveness. Recognizing that Jesus is God and able to forgive our sins by His grace alone.
Sheer: Like any word.
Javy: Sheer
Julie: Baunllaw...hello!
Javy: Love is not absolute then?
thomasjg: loan: what world view do you adhere to?
Julie: welcome to the matrix
Insight4Living: God defines love.  God defines justice.  God defines mercy and compassion.
Javy: Then what makes you think Gods love should be your love?
Javy: and what if his love is your hate?
Sheer: and, like any word, the concept behind it has to flex some in order to take into account both the transmitter and the receiver
Julie: Romans 5:9 Having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Javy: and what if his 'love' is your destruction?
scipl: There is much biblical testimony of Christ's independent appearances to over 500 different individuals after his resurrection. 
Sheer: Javy: That is possible.
Julie: 1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
Ioan: thomas, just tell me what extrabiblical support there is for the biblical Resurrection
Javy: Okay. Then your objection is nonsense.
Sheer: If so, then it's unfortunate, but I'm still not going to change my ideas beacuse of it.
Insight4Living: Down with moral relativitism!!!
Julie: John 3:36 - He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Ioan: scipl, Paul could have been making that up
Javy: Your objction is nonsense, and you still embrace it?
scipl: i'm trying to tell you loan
thomasjg: loan I already have
Sheer: It's like this. If God wanted me to do something I thought was morally wrong, I wouldn't do it.
Insight4Living: Lemme get some Greg Laurie quotes...
thomasjg: now..
Javy: Sheer
Javy: Listen
thomasjg: loan: what world view do you adhere to?
Julie: Salvation does not come by being good, moral, religious, not by going to church, not by being baptized

Javy: You embrace an objection thats nonsense?
Javy: Yes or no?
Julie: The Only way to be saved is by placing True Faith in the True Jesus and the True Gospel of the bible.
Sheer: I embrace a objection that *you think* is nonsense.
Julie: The True Jesus is God Almighty in flesh (john 1:1,14), He is the Second member of the trinity (1 John 5:7), He is the Creator (col. 1:16), He is uncreated (john 1:3, Col. 1:17).
scipl: The appearances could not have been hallucinations, due to the variety of situations and the number of individuals involved --there is no such thing as a "group hallucination."
Javy: You said God is supposed to be love, then said we all define love, and said that God can define love in anyway including his love can be your 'evil' right?
Javy: Then your objection is meaningless.
Sheer: That's possible.
Julie: Acts 4:12 There is no salvation in any other than Jesus, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved
Javy: Then Your Objection Is Meaningless!
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Javy: Right?
Javy: Yes or no?
Julie: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"
Sheer: I think it's possible that those who commit evil acts think they are commiting good ones,.
Javy: Sheer...
Julie: Rom. 5:1 - Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Javy: You said "I think its possible"
Javy: right?
thomasjg: ok my throat is killing me and I have no time for trolls..
Sheer: And it's possible that the creator of the universe is evil. It's also possible that God IS Satan - after all, he said he was the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end..
thomasjg: I am headed back to bed..
scipl: The appearances were physical and tangible in nature, as evidenced by Christ's actions (eating with the disciples and suggesting that they touch his side and his hands).
Julie: Justification = Being declared eternally Righteous by God and forever Pardoned from the punishment of sin that we deserve (justified = Saved)
Javy: Listen Sheer
Sheer: Feel better soon, ThomasJG
Javy: Sheer
Javy: listen
Julie: nite thomas
Javy: Stop
Julie: God bless
Javy: stop
Ioan: bye thomas
Javy: You said "It is possible" 
Sheer: Stop what? Being myself? Thinking the way I do? Beleiving the things that I apparently, at my core, believe?
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Javy: Oh my
Javy: I'm gonna ban you.
Sheer: *chuckles*
Sheer: Your loss.
Javy: So trollish.
Ioan: sheer, what's your concern regarding Christianity?
Sheer: I'm actually being myself, is the really funny thing.
scipl: The strongest indirect evidence for the resurrection of Christ involves the transformation of His disciples.
Javy: I know, its sad...the sinful state.
Sheer: Loan: I thought we were here to talk about religion.
Sheer: But apparently we're only here if all of us think and feel the same things.
scipl: loan, i gave there direct evidence, and now i can explain indirect..
Sheer: I want you all to remember
Sheer: This is what happened to Jesus
Sheer: people didn't like his ideas, so they killed him
Javy: Loan...sheer embraces contradictions and says they're not contradictions yet used the same logic he tries to defy to arrive at his explanation that they are not contradictions  
Javy: No need to listen to him.
Sheer: Javy doesn't like my ideas so he's about to ban me
Javy: He's just silly.
Sheer: Not as bad as killing, but still pretty much a 'shut the *** up'.
Ioan: how do you know the apostles were even there, and it wasn't someone who wrote the Gospels?
Julie:    
chokky_chick: woah 
Julie: is this the blind leading the blind?
Sheer: Javy: You don't like the way I think. I don't like the way you think. Maybe in time we could come to see eye to eye, but not if you kick me out.
chokky_chick: javy ban him now
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